WFN World Rankings Post IC17

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Apologies for the delay, mostly an editor (Brett Northey) availability issue. Story text is by the editor.

Here we present the WFN World Rankings from immediately after the 2017 AFL International Cup.

Australia retains its notional #1 ranking as unarguably the leading nation, and PNG's victory at IC17 kept their #1 contender position intact. In fact the top 5 positions were unchanged. The big changes were Croatia rising 5 places to 7th and China up 6 to 13. Perhaps unfairly France fell 3 spots to 17th courtesy of playing in the tough Division 1 (compare with Croatia's rise from dominating Division 2). We'd love to see more cross-over matches with sides touring outside of IC years which would help address that; a modified rankings system is not imminent. South Africa's slow decline continues. We welcome Indonesia and Pakistan as fully ranked for the first time (playing the necessary 8 games) and Sri Lanka's debut sees them onto the provisional list.

World Footy News Australian Football Men's World Rankings

(as at end of 20th August 2017, end IC17)

Rank		Points	Games	Rank Change
1	Australia	-	0	steady
2	Papua New Guinea	61.99	39	steady
3	New Zealand	57.88	43	steady
4	Ireland	56.64	59	steady
5	Nauru	52.97	32	steady
6	United States	49.34	48	+2
7	Croatia	47.09	13	+5
8	South Africa	46.61	32	-2
9	Great Britain	46.23	64	-2
10	Canada	45.84	48	-1
11	Denmark	43.67	47	-1
12	Tonga	41.93	14	-1
13	China	39.91	25	+6
14	Fiji	38.01	19	-1
15	Germany	37.55	25	steady
16	Peace Team	36.46	11	+1
17	France	36.09	18	-3
18	Japan	35.06	34	-2
19	Sweden	34.18	39	-1
20	Indonesia	30.94	12	new
21	Pakistan	29.14	10	new
22	Finland	27.45	18	-2
23	India	20.71	21	-2
Prov.	Sri Lanka	37.41	5	*
Dorm.	Iceland	35.64	4	**
Prov.	Indochina	34.00	2	*
Prov.	Timor-Leste	27.40	6	*

Indonesia and Pakistan joined as fully qualified for the first time

* Sri Lanka join as provisional (partially qualified)

** Iceland (dormant) need to play by 07/08/2018 to stay on the list at all

Samoa fell off in 2016

Spain fell off in 2013

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WFN World Rankings Post IC17

Authored by: Harley Vague
on Tuesday, November 14 2017 @ 11:43 am ACDT

So this doesn't include the latest EU Cup ?

WFN World Rankings Post IC17

Authored by: Troy Thompson
on Tuesday, November 14 2017 @ 12:16 pm ACDT

Pretty sure 9-a-side matches don't qualify for these rankings Harley.

WFN World Rankings Post IC17

Authored by: Cam Homes
on Tuesday, November 14 2017 @ 03:17 pm ACDT

Yep, only full side matches on the WFN Ranks.

I do have Euro Cup 9's rankings but I'm not going to publish because they are incomplete, don't have all the scores and results going back to 2011 (guesses on who actually won by finishing order only) in Belfast and have not got actual scores for matches of some of the countries that didn't get live screened (don't know if 40+ points games or not) in recent Cups.

WFN World Rankings Post IC17

Authored by: Cam Homes
on Tuesday, November 14 2017 @ 10:19 pm ACDT

Just like to point out that France fell from 14th to 17th (lost max 3.00 rating points in the first round loss to Fiji, from 39.09 points to 36.09 ) AND

even tho' France lost to Ireland, Nauru, USA, and South Africa in their remaining games in the IC they DID NOT lose any more rating points, because the Rating Gap in all those games were greater than +/- 10.00.
Finished the IC still on 36.09 rating points.

I think France ended up in Div 1 due to their finish in IC14 rather than their World Ranking position. That was probably the unfair bit, BUT the ranking scheme actually protected them from losing even more rating points.

Croatia probably should have been included in Div 1 as they were ranked higher than France, but played in Div 2 because they were newcomers to International Cup competition.

WFN World Rankings Post IC17

Authored by: Troy Thompson
on Wednesday, November 15 2017 @ 12:06 pm ACDT

Croatia's climb still seems excessive. They did lose to China and having watched all four teams I cannot believe they would have beaten SA, GB or Canada.

Edited on Wednesday, November 15 2017 @ 12:07 pm ACDT by Troy Thompson

WFN World Rankings Post IC17

Authored by: Cam Homes
on Wednesday, November 15 2017 @ 04:59 pm ACDT

Croatia were ranked higher than both Fiji and France at start of the IC and should have been playing in Div 1. They were playing in Div 2 because they were playing in IC for first time and had no IC finishing position to refer to, whereas France finished 11th at IC14 and were #10 this time cos' Tonga not competing. Croatia 40.35 points, Fiji 40.18, France 39.09.

AS a consequence Croatia got a easy run which certainly helped them climb up in the ranks during the IC. Their only loss to China in Round 1. (jet lag may have had something to do with that) probably aided their rise as the IC proceeded. (rating points now down to 37.35.)

Round 2. 40+ win over Indonesia(who were above Croatia due to just entering the ranks in previous match) scored them max 3.00 rating points, back up to 40.35 points.

Round 3 game against Sri Lanka was fortunate for Croatia (only Sri Lanka's 3rd international footy match, rating 34.00 due to starting at 40.00 two games ago) Croatia gained 1.64 points to.41.99.
Meanwhile their next opponent was Japan who was also climbing up the ranks behind them with wins over India, Pakistan and Germany.

Semi-Final 2: The Knights earned the max 3.00 points with their 40+ win over Japan to take their rating points to 44.99 putting them above Denmark and Tonga (neither in IC17)and Canada who had just taken a hit from Nauru.

Div 2 Final: The Knights added another 2.09 Rating points with their 40+ win over Germany to end the IC on 47.09 Rating points at 7th Rank (above both South Africa and Great Britain, both of whom had dropped several rating points each over the course of the IC, Sth Africa had lost 3.02 points and Great Britain 2.15 points).

Yes, I agree that most likely Croatia ended up Ranked and Rated higher than they should have, and the rise appears excessive, gaining 6.74 rating points during the IC.

BUT I also think that a rise of 9.00 rating points is not necessarily excessive as China achieved that and rose from 18th to 13th in the ranks during the IC. China won 4 from 5 and each of their wins were against nations that were more highly Rated points-wise before each match so the rise is quite justified and indicates an improvement in standard since IC14.

So, in defence of the Ranking Scheme I believe Croatia's "excessive" climb would not have been so dramatic if the IC organiser's had used the Ranking scheme to place the nations in the 2 divisions instead of a three-year old "Premiership Table" eg. IC14 finishing positions. Smack My Hand.

And to see if Croatia really are ranked too high maybe we can convince AFL Europe or GB or Denmark or Canada to challenge the Knights to a full international match or two next northern footy season if/when they repeat the Footy Challenge that was held in London earlier this year. Sheeesss, Smack My Hand again. :-)

WFN World Rankings Post IC17

Authored by: Brett Northey
on Saturday, November 18 2017 @ 11:02 am ACDT

In an ideal world a ranking system will cope regardless of how the fixtures are done.---
Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

WFN World Rankings Post IC17

Authored by: Cam Homes
on Monday, November 20 2017 @ 04:03 pm ACDT

International Australian Rules Football is a long way from an "Ideal" world.

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

WFN World Rankings Post IC17

Authored by: Brett Northey
on Wednesday, November 22 2017 @ 06:13 pm ACDT

OK then, try this:

An ideal ranking system will cope regardless of how the fixtures are done given that it's a non-ideal world.

I'm sure we could improve our system to cope better, personally I just don't have the time unfortunately.
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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

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