Official results from Under 16s Division Two - Round Three

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Official results from Under 16s Division Two - Round Three

Authored by: Cam Homes
on Wednesday, July 14 2010 @ 01:29 pm ACST

G'Day Michael.
The website story tends to suggest that the social contact and therefore "the human interest" angle is just as effective as "The Blockbuster" match in promoting the game in non-footy playing regions. That is something that I have mentioned in the lead -up to the NAB Under 16's in Sydney. Several "human interest" stories about the players made it onto the national newscasts. I just wonder how many free tickets(with half price for a friend or such) were given away to all the schools within bike riding distance of the venue for the Under 16's matches. IF they had even just half a dozen teens (who'd never been to an Aussie rules match before) turn up, who could now say, at some time down the track, I saw that guy(AFL Player) play at the Under 16's at Blacktown a couple of years ago it would be a huge promotion of the game.
Even Brett didn't expect attendence figures because it was only the Under 16's.
Only people that would go along were family and friends and coaches and media(who no doubt got free tickets!
Really!! What about the curious that can't afford to go to Swan's matches?
If the World v SP match hadn't been on the day it was my daughter who is from SA would have gone along. She is used to watching Aussie rules at local level so gets as much out of the game as at AFL level(has only seen 2 game of AFL)
Cam

Official results from Under 16s Division Two - Round Three

Authored by: Brett Northey
on Wednesday, July 14 2010 @ 05:09 pm ACST

Cam it wouldn't have been a ticketed event, it would've been open and free entry - there's no demand to watch Under 16s. I agree it would've been good to get local schools along to watch. So it wouldn't have been a matter of giving away tickets, it would've been a matter of convincing locals schools to let and get their students to go.

My objections to the Under 16s rankings are many, and ironically some of them are the same as your objections to our 2008 World Rankings, i.e. they are opinion based rather than rely just on results. To have the teams fall into a sensible order you've had to skew the initial rankings points, even though the system is designed to have everyone start at the same level. And because there's no cross over between divisions the top div two sides will climb and the bottom div 1 sides will fall, and if you didn't skew the initial points, they'd overlap which would make a mockery of the rankings. I analyse scientific data every day and so I'm very much in favour of using data where possible but skewed data or different types of data lumped together makes for worse than poor results, it gives misleading results or confidence in anomalous results that are not based on reality.

The adult rankings are different in that, although suffering some similar issues, have a bigger data set and more restriction of criteria and overlap matches between teams at different levels. By all means keep toying with the Under 16s rankings but don't be subverted into thinking they are telling you more than the order that the teams finished in the recent tournaments, and the relative strength of those tournaments, because that's how you had to skew it to get it to work. If the same results were repeated over and over you'd get teams climbing above others who they'd have no hope of beating.

I'll try to get some info out about the adult rankings in the next week or so.

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

Official results from Under 16s Division Two - Round Three

Authored by: Cam Homes
on Wednesday, July 14 2010 @ 08:49 pm ACST

G'day Brett
OK! free drink or pie to eat at the event. 6 kids who might never have gone otherwise.

Yes I agree we have not stuck to the rules of the Senior Ranking scheme in that the initial Starting Points were skewed to show the difference between the standards of the three groups of teams. Yes the results do show with one exception where the teams in each comp finished but if you look at previous Under 16's comps they haven't always finished in that order. I reckon its the first time Vic Metro have come last.
With the artificial spread that is there, even if Nauru continues win against the Samoa and the like, their ranking points are unlikely to climb above the teams in the group above. If we project into the future these results are very unlikely to be repeated over and over anyway.
Any new teams like PNG would start at 40 points and even if they prove to be as successful as many believe then when their points get up around the Northern Territory or World XVlll then it could well be time to play against them.
Very few matches involved, but we have to start somewhere. Will be interesting to see what happens next year if PNG do get a run, and the South Pacific and World XVlll's get another run on the park.
Remember a lot of the early games in the Senior ranking were played under different circumstances than now.
At least it is based on match results even tho some factors are artificial eg. over-age players(tho that is an attempt to level the teams out a bit) No teams scored the max of 2 ranking points and there were only five 40pt bonus matches.

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

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