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World Footy Rankings - eligible games

Authored by: Mister Football
on Tuesday, July 20 2010 @ 10:14 am ACST

It's worth having a try. The IRB system seems as good a system as any.

The three ICs conducted to date provide a bit of a "gold standard", so it's proper that you apply some of the conditions you have mentioned for inclusion, which are an attempt to stick as close as possible to that gold standard.

With a 4th IC, and then with these Euros, and similar comps like in Oceania which are run to a similar standard, like for like data will emerge and will begin to give such a listing credence - one has to start somewhere.

I was initially going to comment that it seemed a bit unfair on the Danes to go all the way back to 1994 where they copped a bit of a hiding, but incredibly, they turned it round the following year - so I guess that's fair enough!

Are all the home countries treated as separate countries? (I note that Great Britain has played games, how will that work??)

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World Footy Rankings - eligible games

Authored by: Cam Homes
on Tuesday, July 20 2010 @ 01:03 pm ACST

At this stage the separate "home" countries are not counted as in the IC's the AFL insisted that only one team could come from the UK(Great Britain) and from Spain(Spain and not Catalonia) so we used that criteria in the compilation of the ranking scheme. That may change in the future and rhe scheme can allow for countries to split (see discussions elsewhere) and the new AFL sanctioned European federation has allowed Catalonia in as a member.
Cam

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Mister Football

World Footy Rankings - eligible games

Authored by: Brett Northey
on Tuesday, July 20 2010 @ 01:20 pm ACST

Just to clarify, I don't think the AFL insisted GB compete as GB. Scotland and Wales were not viable teams back when the IC started, and there was only one governing body, the BARFL (now AFL Britain), so the national side was GB. At this stage I believe it remains the case that for the huge commitment to get a full squad to Australia for the IC for 2 weeks, the "home nations" remain content to compete as GB. Of course that my change in future. But yes, it makes it difficult to then rank the different entities.

Re Spain / Catalonia, I recall that at the last IC the AFL was interested in talking to either party but neither chose to attend.

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

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World Footy Rankings - eligible games

Authored by: Cam Homes
on Tuesday, July 20 2010 @ 01:45 pm ACST

Yep, my recollection of the criteria set by the AFL leading up to the 2nd IC was that "the governing body" of a country was the only body that could enter a team and as Spain had two governing bodies ie. AFL Spain and Catalonia AFA , they had to chose one or the other not both or combine. "Insisted' may have not properly described the AFL's attitude, sorry!

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

World Footy Rankings - eligible games

Authored by: Aaron Richard
on Tuesday, July 20 2010 @ 01:55 pm ACST

Not exactly - the AFL eventually sent invitations to both Spain and Catalonia, and were at least theoretically willing for both to attend.

At one point I was talking to some of the guys at the AFL and they were considering a "rivalry round" as part of the draw, with one of the matches they discussed being Spain vs Catalonia.

A bit off-topic, but the 'rivalry round' idea obviously doesn't work so well at the IC when the teams you have the greatest traditional rivalry with tend to be the ones you play regularly anyway, eg USA vs Canada, and you'd prefer to play different opposition at the IC.

Back ON topic, the biggest problem with our rankings is a team like Canada, who almost only ever play the US, could fall behind a country like Germany. The Canadians are quite strong, but have lost the majority of their games, because they've always played very strong opposition. Will all due respect to Germany, and without having seen Germany play in the flesh, I reckon the Canadians would be a lot stronger than the Germans.

Having said that, the Germans have some tough match-ups against sides such as Ireland in the EC2010, and it will probably even itself out!!

I think our rankings look like a good first step on the way to an "official" system... Let's give it a year or two to digest and see how it works out.

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

World Footy Rankings - eligible games

Authored by: Cam Homes
on Tuesday, July 20 2010 @ 02:29 pm ACST

G'day Aaron.
It would be terrific to see Canada v Germany and put the ranks to the test. I agree Canada have probably been pushed down the ranks because of their annual battle agin USA and being on the losing side more often than not. But remember the 03, 04 and 07 matches rating gap was greater than 10 and Canada's rate did not fall. Let's look at the nations that Germany and Canada have both played. Germany's record is short, only playing Denmark, Finland and Sweden. They are 1 all with Sweden, 0-2 against Denmark and have a win over Finland. Canada are one down against Denmark and Sweden and have a win over Finland. Almost Snap. Yep, Germany's rank will certainly become more relevant with the Euro Champs coming up, also they will no longer be provisional. I must say I'm looking forward to this comp so that more matches will be counted in the scheme and confident that the scheme will more or less mirror the outcome of the comp, the two new "unkowns" Croatia and Iceland tho could throw a spanner into the works. I really hope they do well and not get any thrashings.
Cam

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

World Footy Rankings - eligible games

Authored by: Cam Homes
on Tuesday, July 20 2010 @ 01:11 pm ACST

Much debate and the win-loss record and who has played who in getting the scheme to where it is can be found at "Is this the first step to a World Ranking" story.
Cam

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

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