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South Pacific defeat Tasmania in U16s

Authored by: Cam Homes
on Sunday, July 10 2011 @ 04:27 pm ACST

Rory.

Aussie Rules is a sport where having two good legs and two good arms with hands attached is all that is required to play( tho' not absolutely neccessary) I have witnessed several players who have had one hand missing and forgive the pun, have still managed to make a fine fist if the game in my time.

It seems that you have the same mindset as most Victorian followers of the sport back in the 1960's and 70's who believed that unless you were Victorian you weren't capable of ever becoming a brilliant footballer(unless you crossed the border into Victoria where you might just become passable at it, of course).

Do you believe that it is not possible to become a good Aussie Rules player if you are not born and bred in Aussie?

If so, please explain to the rest of us, why?

Cam

South Pacific defeat Tasmania in U16s

Authored by: Rory Slater
on Sunday, July 10 2011 @ 04:48 pm ACST

I believe you are twisting what i am only putting up for discussion on a forum that can be rather blinkered in it's quest to see the code go truly global.

The fact is that there are many who devalue and deride our code for a percieved naivety of disciplines, saying anyone could pick up it's skill set given a modicum of athleticism, so are they correct?

I know from my own experience that it takes a long period of time to raise the status of codes i.e. Union or League or Soccer in demographics that historically do not play these, certainly a lot longer than seems to be so in respect of Australian Football.

Given these sorts of rapid improvements an especially the World result against a demographic that boasts the highest support for our code per capita nationally, you would have to say yes, the game of Australian Footy is incredibly easy to master.

Brett,

The player list I have see,s shows the SP side overwhelmingly stocked with 18 yo with some 17year olds?

South Pacific defeat Tasmania in U16s

Authored by: Brett Northey
on Sunday, July 10 2011 @ 05:39 pm ACST

Rory you're saying the South Pacific side is "overwhelmingly stocked with 18 yo".

I'm looking at the list here: South Pacific U16 squad for NAB AFL Nationals

By my maths, excluding the two unspecified birthdays and the emergencies, that gives 7 that are 18 year olds, 11 that are 17 year olds, 8 that are 16 year olds and 1 that is 15.

So a fair summary is that they are mostly 17 with a mix of 16 and 18 year olds. Not overwhelmingly stocked. But yes they still have an average age concession, which of course undermines your original point somewhat about the game being easy to pick up.

Hopefully the AFL will create a World Under 19s to compete in the Under 18s next year and some of these top age players can play in that. However this is just speculation on behalf.

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

South Pacific defeat Tasmania in U16s

Authored by: Harley Vague
on Sunday, July 10 2011 @ 04:49 pm ACST

Taking the point of devil's advocate and accepting that it's easy to pick up the skills of our game it would seem to me to be a possitive in attracting new players .

I do not understand the reference to other codes .At different times historically Australian Football has been international ,dominant ,negligant , unfortunate ,threatened and expansive .If we look at similar contact football codes Gaelic , American , Canadian ,Rugby union and Rugby league you will see a lot of similarities , differences and cycles both now and historically .

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South Pacific defeat Tasmania in U16s

Authored by: Harley Vague
on Sunday, July 10 2011 @ 05:06 pm ACST

Rory, now that I understand your point -you completely overlook the input of the long established leagues of NZ and the PNG and the age concessions made .You overlook the approach of the AFL and you have made a completely wrong assumption about the difficulty in learning other codes .

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South Pacific defeat Tasmania in U16s

Authored by: Troy Thompson
on Sunday, July 10 2011 @ 05:41 pm ACST

Average age of the SP squad is around 17.5 years (I have removed the Samoan boys as I beleive they could not attend?).

Average age of the World18 boys is around 16.8 years (I have removed the East Timorese boys who are not with the squad).

This definitely assists in terms of physical development. May see them being Under 17 teams next year?

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

South Pacific defeat Tasmania in U16s

Authored by: Rory Slater
on Sunday, July 10 2011 @ 05:46 pm ACST

Cos

The NT and Tassie as well as the remaining Australian state sides are far more compelling in terms of their respective established leagues and histories yet here they are getting beaten by players from around the globe who relatively speaking, have little affinity and nothing like the advantage that Australian grassroots do, so inherent is the culture of our game.

Again, this is telling me that our code is a snack to master, despite the significant age concessions made for these international sides.

Brett.

Population is not always a criteria to success, i.e. NZ still defeat just about any Australian Union side at the grassroots despite their smaller population. This is about quality rather than quantity so in that respect you would have to say our Australian footy grassroots at Div 2 anyway is of dubious quality.

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

South Pacific defeat Tasmania in U16s

Authored by: Brett Northey
on Sunday, July 10 2011 @ 06:08 pm ACST

Well Rory indeed draw your own conclusions. Sounds like you don't have much respect for Australian football.

For me, it's vindication that PNG have a tremendous Aussie Rules program and if you take those talented young (but small) kids and scatter through the team some superb athletic taller young men from NZ and the island nations who have 1 to 5 years in the game then you get a pretty good team that can put out a performance similar to one of Australia's smallest states.

Re the ages Troy, I thought the World side was slightly younger, my mistake. I wonder what the age of the Tassie and NT sides were. U16 normally means at Jan 1 doesn't it, so they were probably what about 16 on average now. So maybe an 18 month advantage to the Sout Pacific and less for the World.

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

South Pacific defeat Tasmania in U16s

Authored by: Brett Northey
on Sunday, July 10 2011 @ 06:12 pm ACST

Not sure what your point was re population Rory, but I must wonder given you think Tassie are so poor at footy then what do you think of your own ACT which folds in with NSW and would clearly, standalone, be well below Tassie?

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

South Pacific defeat Tasmania in U16s

Authored by: Rory Slater
on Sunday, July 10 2011 @ 06:40 pm ACST

Brett

This has naught to do with respect, I am simply posing the question that our code is relatively easy to master given these results.

I have defended our code often from it's detractors and especially Kiwis as it happens who often tell me they have little interest for the game and that they could pick it up with liitle effort at all but you know what, I think they may be on the money.

If the code is suddnely embraced in a country i.e. NZ, based on this premature rise in status of such cobbled together o/s sides as these, it follows that it will take no time at all for them to be competitive with Australia. I say lets get some equity happening and do away with the age disparity to see exactly how big the gap is = or isn't whatever the case may be..

No doubt this vindicates your belief that NZ should have an AFL elite side ahead of the ACT and NT and dare I say Tassie as well to be fair. I have to say I defer to your gretater foresight in this respect so why not move the Hawks to Auckland now.

You mentioned the population of the SP demographic in an earlier comment, being an advantage against say the NT and Tassie. I wonder in fact , what the % of those actually play our code is in the SP. Not that high I would expect and on a per cap basis this would pale compared to the NT or Tassie or the ACT, but then this is clearly no criteria in growing our code thanks to the SP and World sides, who have single handedly extinguished any criteria pertaining to years of historic pedigree in supporting Aust Footy in these heartlands.

Can we also reward PNG by granting them a side also please?

Cheers

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

South Pacific defeat Tasmania in U16s

Authored by: Brett Northey
on Sunday, July 10 2011 @ 08:55 pm ACST

So Rory you respect ACT footy but think it's crap. That seems to be the inescapable conclusion.

Look there is a nub of truth that Aussie Rules, being mostly played in Australian which has a relatively small population, and being a sport where athleticism can sometimes make up for less than elite skills, means a superb athlete can transition more easily than perhaps to some other sports. As an alleged supporter of our game why you want to make a point of that in a negative way to say it's easy strikes me as odd.

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

South Pacific defeat Tasmania in U16s

Authored by: grimnekrosmurf
on Sunday, July 10 2011 @ 11:10 pm ACST

Has anyone considered the possibility that NT and Tasmania had a bad day out while the World XVII and Pacific Island teams may have played out of their skins? I'm sure there's a bit more inconisistency at the under 16 level. And in comparison to soccer, Australian under-age teams have made it to more world championships than the senior Socceroos have.

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

South Pacific defeat Tasmania in U16s

Authored by: grimnekrosmurf
on Sunday, July 10 2011 @ 11:14 pm ACST

Adding to that Australia were runners-up in the 1999 under 17 soccer world cup! (doesn't really compare to the game at the senior level does it?)

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

South Pacific defeat Tasmania in U16s

Authored by: Brett Northey
on Sunday, July 10 2011 @ 11:24 pm ACST

Quite right. These results by no means say that those teams are better than Tassie and NT. But what it says is that they are in the ballpark, which is the exciting result for international footy fans.

Remove the age allowances and SP and World probably lose by a few goals. And that's probably how the rules will go over the next few years, which is fine. And hopefully these squads will improve fast enough to maintain their competitiveness. Then perhaps in 3 or 4 years we might see PNG go it alone, or alternatively SP might move up to Div 1 if they are good enough.

And like I said, to really get the public and draft scout attention, graduate to having a side or sides in the U18s.

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

South Pacific defeat Tasmania in U16s

Authored by: grimnekrosmurf
on Monday, July 11 2011 @ 12:12 am ACST

Australian football is also the national sport of Nauru isn't it? Small population but they've been footy mad for a long, long time. I'd imagine a local kid perhaps making it to the AFL eventually will be a national hero!

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

South Pacific defeat Tasmania in U16s

Authored by: Brett Northey
on Monday, July 11 2011 @ 11:22 am ACST

Maybe that hero will be Yoshi Harris. See the story we published last night that GWS Giants has signed up 3 international scholarship players, including Yoshi from Nauru.

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

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